CASE 1
Apa jadi, kalau UMNO offer PAS Kelantan untuk melaksanakan hudud as a test case? kita tahu sekarang, TGNA sudah tidak memegang jawatan MB lagi (Jika tidak, ini (proposed hudud by UMNO) tidak mungkin jadi realiti kerana TGNA tentu akan menentang). Saya rasa inilah yg di tunggu-tunggu oleh 'conservative' di dalam PAS. UMNO skrg tiada halangan untuk tujuan ini (bagi tujuan unity government kerana MCA/MIC/Gerakan dah kaput) dan PAS Kelantan tentu menunggu peluang begini.
Apa jadi, kalau UMNO offer PAS Kelantan untuk melaksanakan hudud as a test case? kita tahu sekarang, TGNA sudah tidak memegang jawatan MB lagi (Jika tidak, ini (proposed hudud by UMNO) tidak mungkin jadi realiti kerana TGNA tentu akan menentang). Saya rasa inilah yg di tunggu-tunggu oleh 'conservative' di dalam PAS. UMNO skrg tiada halangan untuk tujuan ini (bagi tujuan unity government kerana MCA/MIC/Gerakan dah kaput) dan PAS Kelantan tentu menunggu peluang begini.
Question: Apa komen DAP? PR will fall apart?
CASE 2
see comment below that I copied
see comment below that I copied
"PAS still do not know that many malays in N.S. do not want hudud, that is why they failed in N.S. PAS also lose titiwangsa, and I know a lot of chinese are afraid of voting PAS because of hudud.
If hudud is taken out of the equation and replaced by welfare state, everyone will be happy to vote PAS."
CASE 3
"I did some calculations (and I can provide you the proof if need be) and BN or PR only theoretically need 18.9% of the total votes to win the 112 smallest seats with a one-vote majority to form the government. As far as I understand, in these "advanced societies" that you speak of, their constituency sizes are controlled with a 5-10% variance. Hence, if a government with a simple majority needs to be formed, the victor must still at least get 40-45% of the popular vote.
Regarding Al Gore's loss, again it was marginal (0.5%) and even then there was a fair amount of outcry from the public. Nevertheless, the US system is pretty fair still...the winner will still need to command upwards of 45% of the popular vote to win.
What we have here is an opposition that won 4% more popular votes than the government. I do not need to argue further. You do get the picture right, that 4% is 8 times more than the 0.5% difference that Al Gore lost by. Even then, the 0.5% made it look like a really close fight. Here, the 4% means nothing. PR still lost by a whopping 44 seats."
Other comments
"Moral of the story, never underestimate PAS. They are smarter than PKR or DAP. They may looked like a party run by guru sekolah pondok who know nothing much about political strategy but behind that outlook they have wits sharper than that of PKR or DAP."
"I did some calculations (and I can provide you the proof if need be) and BN or PR only theoretically need 18.9% of the total votes to win the 112 smallest seats with a one-vote majority to form the government. As far as I understand, in these "advanced societies" that you speak of, their constituency sizes are controlled with a 5-10% variance. Hence, if a government with a simple majority needs to be formed, the victor must still at least get 40-45% of the popular vote.
Regarding Al Gore's loss, again it was marginal (0.5%) and even then there was a fair amount of outcry from the public. Nevertheless, the US system is pretty fair still...the winner will still need to command upwards of 45% of the popular vote to win.
What we have here is an opposition that won 4% more popular votes than the government. I do not need to argue further. You do get the picture right, that 4% is 8 times more than the 0.5% difference that Al Gore lost by. Even then, the 0.5% made it look like a really close fight. Here, the 4% means nothing. PR still lost by a whopping 44 seats."
Other comments
"Moral of the story, never underestimate PAS. They are smarter than PKR or DAP. They may looked like a party run by guru sekolah pondok who know nothing much about political strategy but behind that outlook they have wits sharper than that of PKR or DAP."
ni saya plak nak komen.
PAS Kelantan boleh melaksanakan hudud. tetapi perlaksanaan hudud di negeri lain sangat tipis kecuali umno bergabung dengan pas. Senario 3 (jika kiraan yg saya tunjuk di atas betul) MENUNJUKAN adalah sangat sukar untuk PR menang dan PAS tentu tidak boleh melaksanakan hudud (tentunya PKR/DAP akan menentang).
soalan saya:
adakah PAS akan memilih 'unity government' supaya hudud boleh dilaksanakan ATAU teruskan sahaja konsep welfare state bersama PR tetapi memakan masa yg lama untuk melaksanakan hudud?
skrg PAS boleh 'demand' kat UMNO walaupun kerusi dimenangi UMNO lebih banyak kerana UMNO 'tersepit' skrg..
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